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  • codemog · 2 hours ago

    The CEO has a bunch of AI papers. Seems like a smart guy, but I don’t know why he’s using the Mozilla brand or platform to screw around with AI stuff. Maybe because Mozilla makes no money and they’re hoping to jump on the AI bandwagon? I don’t know, doesn’t seem like it will end well..

    • Octoth0rpe · 2 hours ago

      > Maybe because Mozilla makes no money

      Mozilla makes a surprising amount of money, almost entirely from google.

      • antonvs · 1 hours ago

        > Maybe because Mozilla makes no money

        Something like $680 million annual revenue. There are thousands of companies in Silicon Valley that would kill for that.

        • codemog · 54 minutes ago

          I thought it was pretty obvious from context that “making no money” meant no money outside of Google giving them money to avoid an anti-trust. Which they could decide to rescind whenever they want or negotiate down.

          Which they probably would if Firefox ever started to become a serious competitor to Chrome.

        • JohnPDickerson · 18 minutes ago

          Author here. The reason I joined the Mozilla ecosystem, and the reason I want to help Mozilla's mission succeed in the era of AI, is identical to the reason I supported Mozilla in my teens and college years during the early browser wars. Then, we had MSFT coming in to create a single point of failure (and control) for your access to the Internet via IE - Firefox combatted that. We're in the same situation now, with your access to the Internet - commerce, social networking, information - going through a walled garden of Gemini or OAI or Ant or Perplexity.

          Mozilla is nowhere near large enough to solve this problem on its own, but: (i) Mozilla AI, which I'm leading, is pushing to solve this at the infra and maybe platform layer by providing developers the ability to choose to use their own AI tooling and (ii) Mozilla writ large is a big enough machine that it can create a community and alliance across dozens or hundreds of players to create a viable alternative to a bleaker, non-open Internet. That's my hope!

          • SrslyJosh · 9 minutes ago

            > We're in the same situation now, with your access to the Internet - commerce, social networking, information - going through a walled garden of Gemini or OAI or Ant or Perplexity.

            Really? I'm still using the internet, and I don't touch any of that stuff.

            > by providing developers the ability to choose to use their own AI tooling

            Wait, what does that have to do with any of what you said before? That doesn't sound like "access to the Internet."

            > create a viable alternative to a bleaker, non-open Internet.

            And now you've switched back to talking about the open (or not) Internet, which has nothing to do with "developers [choosing] their own AI tooling".

            It sounds like you're just pursuing your own pet project while trying justify it using the language of internet freedom.

        • _superposition_ · 2 hours ago

          Agreed with much of this. Models are commodities. LLM gateways are the correct enterprise pattern imo.

          • verdverm · 1 hours ago

            I recently set up GoModel and there's now way I'm going back to a world without it. Gateways are great for local too! I can swap out models or quants and my tools do not need to be reconfigured.

            At the enterprise level, you need to be resilient to provoder downtime and gateways can handle this org wide.

            • blitzar · 1 hours ago

              > Gateways are great for local too

              My gateway (litellm) has my local models with a fallback to the same model on openrouter. Best of both worlds.

          • dboreham · 1 hours ago

            Egads surely Mozilla can produce a blog post that isn't written in AI-speak?

            • dumbfoundded · 1 hours ago

              Will organizations want to control their own proxy or use OpenRouter?

              • _pdp_ · 1 hours ago

                Well I think it is the platform layer. If you can blow up $1m on a harness sure… otherwise rent it.