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  • wil421 · 16 hours ago

    What happens when it’s Judge Dredd AI robot here to sentence you based on automated systems and AI?

    To the outer colonies for this one.

    • erelong · 16 hours ago

      not justifying it but I imagine even pre-Flock there were false positives, I guess a question would be if the false positives are multiplying or if they would be better than the previous system of false positives

      • gruez · 16 hours ago

        Sounds like the actual issue is that the false positive rate is so low that cops get complacent. If in the past all you had were vague descriptions like "grey F150" then police would be far more skeptical if they saw a "match". However if they're using ANPRs and it's reliable day after day, you stop questioning the system. After all, it never makes a mistake, right?

        • AngryData · 15 hours ago

          Or they don't have to care about mistakes because most people are too poor to pursue a case against local cops and courts or flock. Any excuse to pull someone over will be used by police to extort people because thats how cops and courts fund themselves, they will always fall back on "it was procedure, therefore we hold no liability." There are more than enough victimless crimes on the books with high monetary penalties to just drag net citizens and profit.

          • gruez · 15 hours ago

            >Any excuse to pull someone over will be used by police to extort people because thats how cops and courts fund themselves, they will always fall back on "it was procedure, therefore we hold no liability." There are more than enough victimless crimes on the books with high monetary penalties to just drag net citizens and profit.

            That might make sense for speed traps or whatever, but how does brutalizing people with suspected stolen vehicles help "cops ... fund themselves"? Civil forfeiture doesn't even apply in this case because by definition that car has a rightful owner, so they won't even be able to keep it.

            • AngryData · 12 hours ago

              Well they get lots of fines and fees from court and jail when someone is charged. But even if the stolen plate isn't really stolen its an easy excuse to pull someone over and catch them for other crimes. It's why cops sit around fast clear roads and pulling everyone going 5 over but aren't giving speeding tickets. They are fishing for usually drug related crimes but also people on probation or behind on their license or tags, or technical DUIs if someone admits to taking a narcotic at lunch. They legally can't pull law biding citizens over randomly just to check, so they need and find excuses to do so and shitty ai flags are good enough.

      • LocalH · 16 hours ago

        Massive violation of rights. Flock should be shut down and their c-suite sent to prison. The cops that made this massive series of blunders should also be fired and blackballed nation-wide.

        • b112 · 16 hours ago

          The cops in this article didn't do a single thing wrong.

          Their department did, maybe. Or the city/state. But reading the article, someone entered the plate wrong 1000s of miles away, and secondarily flock reads some plates wrongly.

          However, the individual police were told "use this tool" and the tool said "spotted stolen car". They then showed up, and did their job.

          I would blame the city or department head who signed with flock. I would blame flock. I wouldn't blame the individual officers which were just doing their job.

          • kelnos · 15 hours ago

            Bullshit. Cops aren't machines who just follow the orders of a computer.

            Anyone who has the power to do violence to or imprison someone has a responsibility to get these things right.

            • zugi · 14 hours ago

              The cops said they had been tracking the car for days. So just once they should have looked at the license plate, and seen the full 7-digit number, which does not match the 5-digit number reported as stolen.

              Instead they just blindly trusted Flock's identification of the vehicle.

              The problem with giving a free pass to the lazy and incompetent cops who didn't do the least bit of due diligence before surrounding a couple with 4 cop cars in a manner that could have resulted in death, is that you can apply such flimsy excuses to everyone in the chain, and end up excusing everyone, because each link is only partly responsible.

              Yes, I'd also blame the city for deploying constant warrantless surveillance.

              Yes, I'd also blame Flock.

              Yes, I'd also blame the Sergeants who set officer incentives and don't punish lazy cops, and prosecutors and judges who rarely hold police accountable.

              But also blame the 4+ lazy and incompetent police officers, not one of whom bothered to double-check the pictures against the report and say, hey, this license plate has 7 digits...

              • LocalH · 13 hours ago

                Bull. That's passing the buck. The cops have a moral responsibility to do their job and not offload it to an AI that is known to hallucinate far more than a non-impaired, trained human.

                "I was just following instructions" has been the excuse of every single low-level worker of authoritarian and abusive societies. It wasn't valid then, and it's not valid now.

                Ruin the whole lot's life the way they tried to ruin this woman. At least ruin the relevant authority figures. Maybe the individual on-site officers should be spared, but the chief? Throw them out on their ass.

                As far as Flock? At this point, they are fully an agent of the state and should be just as liable for Consitutional violations as the whole of the government.