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  • vintagedave · 2 days ago

    Unfortunately the article doesn't answer the question. I was hoping for an investigation.

    Whatsapp is #4 in battery usage on my phone, and has spent more time in background mode (9 minutes) than active (6 minutes.) Not nearly as bad as the author but I have to admit, I don't understand why it could spend anywhere near that much time doing anything. All it needs to do is be sent a new message.

    • kees99 · 2 days ago

      > All it needs to do is be sent a new message.

      Receiving a message in a timely manner, is far more energy-intensive, for two reasons:

      - modern Internet, with nearly universal deployment of NAT, is such that any app (or phone OS, for that matter) can only make outbound connections. That is, to receive, it must keep making outbound requests to the server, constantly asking "is there a message for me?";

      - modern android (and iOS too) has some pretty aggressive algorithms/rules to identify apps that can be safely suspended (i.e. denied the right to run in background). One such rule is "no activity within X amount of time". So, ironically, app has to waste CPU cycles to convince OS to keep it running.

      There is an OS-level mechanism in both Android and iOS to avoid the second problem above, by the way of OS doing the polling (so-called "push notifications"), but there are their own dragons there, so many apps out out.

      • interactivecode · 2 days ago

        The correct way to deliver notifications is through push notifications. On mobile platforms it will wake up the device, wake up the app and handle the notification. No matter if your app is backgrounded, completely quit or open. It's actually really cool and efficient.

        It's the low quality code from whatsapp and meta that's causing the battery usage doing all sorts of bad patterns like like constant outbound requests. So many apps like telegram don't have the same issues and are also just as responsive.

      • sparqlittlestar · 2 days ago

        I believe I read somewhere that WhatsApp gets awoken by a silent notification with the cyphertext from the Notification Service, which it then needs to decrypt before generating a local notification that actually gets displayed to the user. This was due to e2e, as/so the Notification Service can't have the plain text.

        Edit: as a possible explanation for the battery drain?

      • ZephyrOhm · 2 days ago

        It doesn't for my devices... Its quite efficient in my experience.

        • 3dedb728-3f77 · 2 days ago

          Is there a way to always force stop apps?

          I got the same problems using Discord. It can take over 40% of a 4100mAh battery each day.

          • rpgbr · 2 days ago

            Opening the multitasking screen and swiping up the app force stops it, I guess.

          • fwn · 1 days ago

            I have always assumed that WhatsApp just does a lot of things for Meta that aren't immediately obvious to the user.

            For example, the app insists on downloading all the "status" pictures/videos that contacts post. I never open that part of the app, so I never see any of those media files. However, WhatsApp traffic stats inform me that it apparently consumed 1.4 GB of traffic to download 16,047 status updates. I have seen almost zero status updates and i have sent zero status updates.

            This is, apparently, (16.7 / 1.4 ) × 100 ≈ 8.38 % of all traffic documented by my WhatsApp usage counter. .. and it is just wastefulness, probably to boost someones KPIs or something.

            Compare that to Signal, where you can disable that entire feature in the settings.

            Another example: Even though I never listen to voice messages, the app insists on downloading all of them. While other media can be configured to not download automatically, downloading all voice messages is mandatory.

            Maybe in some group I am part of, WhatsApp is downloading a voice message (that I'll never listen to) right now.