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  • hackingonempty · 6 days ago

    TLA+ = formal language for modeling software above the code level and hardware above the circuit level by Leslie Lamport (of vector clock and Paxos fame, among other things.)

    https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/tla/tla.html

    • mike_hock · 6 days ago

      So there's \in, \subseteq and probably many others that are written just like in Latex. Notably \cap and \cup were also copied from Latex, which describe the shape of the symbol instead of its meaning. But not \to, \mapsto, \Vee and \Wedge, they're written as ASCII art ->, |->, \/ and /\.

      Then there's SUBSET, which means power set ... yeah. -_-

      • groovy2shoes · 6 days ago

        Leslie Lamport is also the original creator of LaTeX.

      • igornotarobot · 5 days ago

        If the LaTeX-like syntax worries you, several projects aimed at providing PL-like syntaxes for TLA+. They vary by their degree of how much of the logic they throw away. I am not going to advertise these projects here, but you would find them on GitHub search by typing the tags like "#tlaplus #language", "#tlaplus #library", and "#tlaplus #pluscal".

        • mike_hock · 5 days ago

          No, I just find the inconsistent syntax annoying, but it turns out most things have alternative Latex-style spellings. I just went by their examples.

    • vatsachak · 6 days ago

      Gotta love TLA+

      I wonder if anyone has worked on porting it to Lean and making tactics for it

        • another_twist · 6 days ago

          i am not sure if a lean port is important. TLA+ could do with a bit more TLC (pun intended) with regards its devEx.

          Also congratulations to the author, I'll try and reproduce this over the weekend.

        • letFunny · 6 days ago

          Author of the article here. I am surprised to see the post was submitted and made it to the front page! Happy to answer any questions

          • stevekemp · 6 days ago

            "to prevent multiple from" seems to be missing a word.

            • buggymcbugfix · 5 days ago

              Thanks for the nice article. The SQLite docs that explain this bug are emphatic about how utterly rare, even irreproducible it is. How, then, was it found, one wonders?

              • letFunny · 5 days ago

                My guess is that they noticed something was not quite right when inspecting the code and then tested their hypothesis manually to see if it was actually a real bug.

                Something similar happened to me when I was working on some code that should clear the state and, by inspection, I noticed some field was not properly cleared under specific circumstances. Then I tested the hypothesis and indeed found a bug. Sometimes intuition and guessing is what it takes.

                • bradfitz · 5 days ago

                  We found it at Tailscale and bought an enterprise support contract from SQLite to debug it for us. Worth every penny.

                  We should probably blog about it.

                  • doctorpangloss · 5 days ago

                    What mission critical purpose does sqlite provide at Tailscale exactly? Why use it at all?

                    • akoboldfrying · 5 days ago

                      It's in Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Windows 10, macOS because it efficiently solves a huge number of use cases while giving plenty of headroom for flexible querying.

                      If you have data more complicated than a single CSV or tab-separated text file that you will only ever process in sequential order, and you don't need inter-process interaction, you should be asking why not use SQLite.

                      • inigyou · 5 days ago

                        sqlite is useful everywhere CSV files are useful but you'd like them to have more data integrity and faster updates. sqlite can replace some uses of MySQL, but more commonly it replaces fopen. https://sqlite.org/whentouse.html

                    • sennalen · 5 days ago

                      You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, it’s crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?

                      • Groxx · 5 days ago

                        Because that would reverse flipping it over the first time, and our universe's physics are not reversible. Thermodynamics demands the turtle stay flipped.

                        • _doctor_love · 5 days ago

                          What’s a tortoise?

                          • wowczarek · 5 days ago

                            You know what a turtle is? Same thing, Leon.

                            • globnomulous · 1 days ago

                              My mother?

                            • erikerikson · 5 days ago

                              A turtle-like animal that only lives on land.

                            • CoastalCoder · 5 days ago

                              I feel like I'm ignorant of some classical fable here.

                              Is this an allusion?

                        • romaaeterna · 5 days ago

                          I don't like the title. The article actually describes the process of proving that dqlite does not have the same bug as SQLite, using a TLA+ specification. The SQLite bug fix was entirely separate from what is described here.

                          • mempko · 5 days ago

                            This is so cool and I wonder how effective it would be using this technique when using LLMs to generate code. Have the llm generate code and a TLA+ model. Use the TLA+ model as the test bed of the code (instead of writing tests in the original language).